How could God say “he has turned back from following Me” (1 Samuel 15:11) if Saul never followed God at all? 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. This alone allows believers to be clean and holy enough, through faith in Christ’s blood, for the Holy Spirit to live in them forever. The word for “monument” is “he has built something by his own hand for himself,” a statue being the likely choice here. 24 The archers shot from the wall at your servants; and some of the king’s servants are dead, and your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also.”, 25 Then David said to the messenger, “Thus you shall say to Joab: ‘Do not let this thing displease you, for the sword devours one as well as another. Following the leading of the Holy Spirit, Deacon Mitchell decided to take up fellowship with the True Witness Church in Paterson, New Jersey under the leadership of the late Bishop Redway. Tone 4 Prokeimenon (Holy Fathers) Blessed areYou, O Lord God of our fathers, / and praised and glorified is. Father Mbaka by mrborntodoit: 11:47am On Jan 06, 2015 BeeBeeOoh : That's y I said earlier on that most men of God have forgoten 2 redeem souls 4 God but venture in2 politics becos of fat envelops. (Psalm 51:7-9). Our obedience to Christ does not add to our salvation to keep us saved, but is evidence of our condition; resulting in rewards or lack there-of at the judgment seat of Christ. For all Uriah’s loyalty, he deserved it in return — and his king, the one he did it all for, killed him instead. When someone says that the Holy Spirit departed from Saul because he lost the kingship, that simply isn’t true; rather, by apostatizing in his walk with the Lord, Saul walked away from the Holy Spirit. This idea is hardly beyond the supernatural intelligence of apostate angels or some hybrid giants. That the bones You have broken may rejoice. First, God’s words tell us so. 11 Do not cast me away from Your presence. YourName forever! When one consults anyone or anything outside of God, when one is egotistical, as Saul was (building a monument to himself), this is idolatry. In this present day and age, where we have the sacrifice of Christ for the atonement of sins, is it possible for God to depart and never come back even though the sinner desires him deeply and he tries to stop sinning? And some of the people of the servants of David fell; and Uriah the Hittite died also. As king, Saul had eliminated mediums from the land, but in his desperation, he sins again, thinking little of it. This is Saul’s second recorded sin in Scripture; his first was to offer the sacrifice at Gilgal instead of waiting seven days for Samuel, as the prophet had told him (1 Samuel 13:1-14). As the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, so does He depart from a person or congregation. What if the sinner believes he has committed this and no matter, how much pleas for forgiveness he sends to God, he feels like it returns back empty. A believer in Christ is supernaturally made a clean and holy vessel by His blood, clean enough for the Holy Spirit to actually dwell inside him permanently. 21 But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice to the Lord your God in Gilgal.” (1 Samuel 15:13-21). In other words, someone who offers a burnt offering (like Saul) that doesn’t obey Him isn’t any better than someone who never offers a burnt offering. ones. In such a person, who resists the Holy Spirit’s wooing no matter how strong such wooing is, the Holy Spirit makes a decision to leave that person’s life because, to use a familiar statement, “He doesn’t stay where He isn’t wanted.”, How Did King Saul Die? Saul rebelled against God’s command to never go to a witch to speak to the dead, and he even sought out one of the witches that escaped from Saul’s own previous command to kill and expel all witches from the land. God disciplines those he loves in this life to conform us in our position as heirs of salvation, having the Spirit as a down payment of better things to come. Why would He have Samuel tell Saul “the Lord is with you” (1 Samuel 10:7) if Saul was evil from the start? The Holy Spirit is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13–14, CSB). At the end of 2 Samuel 11, we see an injustice done, adultery, followed by another injustice, the death of a king-loyal soldier, and we think there’s no justice to be found in the world. In the case of Saul, his burnt offering to God or offering the forbidden possessions wouldn’t change the fact that he disobeyed God. are all that await you. The comparison between Saul and David. You, however, ignored it. They were not alone. These words remind us that, to be unfaithful to someone, there must be a covenant. It is in the following chapter that we see the Holy Spirit depart from the life of Saul: 14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him. So Uriah didn’t go down to his house. And then, to see Saul claim that he had “performed the commandment of the Lord” is even further proof of just how spiritually lost Saul was. While David had always had a humble heart , He repented right away he accepted responsibility of his sin with Bathsheba,In another instance, when he looked at himself as a king by sending his servants to fetch water from a well Dangerous for anyone to cross over to , and they went and willingly obeyed him and made it through . Samuel delivers the sad news to Saul that the Lord had rejected him from being king. Thus, to vex the Holy Spirit means that God’s presence was among them. Hence, he stated that Saul and his sons would also come to Hades. And my mouth shall show forth Your praise. This is why he goes to pray about the battle against the Philistines. Saul was sent an evil spirit from the Lord, and the Holy Spirit had departed from his life. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! 5 And the woman conceived; so she sent and told David, and said, “I am with child.”, 6 Then David sent to Joab, saying, “Send me Uriah the Hittite.” And Joab sent Uriah to David. At his word they shall go out, and at his word they shall come in, he and all the children of Israel with him—all the congregation.” (Numbers 27:18-21). For He is not a man, that He should relent” (1 Samuel 15:28-29). If you mix yourself with the world, the Holy Spirit departs. Was his fear unjustified? I think we should have the humility of David, never forgetting that God can cast us from His presence and remove His Holy Spirit from us if we put our sin before Him and sin without care for God’s law. 20 And you shall give some of your authority to him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient. “Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in your sight.” David acknowledges the wrong he’s done against God, and calls it “evil.”. Opening up a building calling it a church, seeing money and people come is not a Bilbically named sign that the Holy Spirit is with you. When he left God, he made a decisive break and never returned to the Lord. If the Lord picks and chooses certain individuals, as He picked Saul, then how can He depart from that individual unless He’s a cruel God who uses people, then tosses them? Saul experienced this and had to hire a musician to play music to bring peace to his troubled mind. One such example is that of Joshua, whom Scripture says had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit: 18 And the Lord said to Moses: “Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him; 19 set him before Eleazar the priest and before all the congregation, and inaugurate him in their sight. He lost his opportunity to witness to the people. So lovely,but where iam confuse is when God anointed Saul as a king, He didn’t know from the beginning what’s going to happen? 24 And Samuel said to all the people, “Do you see him whom the Lord has chosen, that there is no one like him among all the people?”, So all the people shouted and said, “Long live the king!” (1 Samuel 10:17-24). When Saul calls God “your God” in talking with Samuel, we understand that Saul has reached a tragic place: he had given up the God he once lived for and worshipped. When the Holy Spirit departs, the kingdom of Heaven has departed from a person or a congregation and the evil spirit takes over. Because I surely know that myGod knows end of everything even in the beginning. 24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. His obedient to the Lord was always his intention .He is quick to consult the Lord in all his ways even going to war he would ask God if he is suppose to go. God selected him for a task that he would never have taken on his own. The kingship was about God, and the king was appointed to serve God, meditate on the law, live out God’s law, and to call the people of Israel to do the same. But there’s one sentence that suggests otherwise: “But the thing that David had done displeased the Lord” (2 Samuel 11:27b). Could you give a citation for that from Calvin? Throughout all that happened, David wasn’t thinking about Uriah but rather, about himself. We begin November with the celebration of the Solemnity of All Saints, a holy day of obligation honoring all those faithful souls in heaven. God’s regret, and the desertion of Saul by the Holy Spirit suggests that Saul may even have consorted with the Amalikite sorcerers to be genetically altered to become like a giant himself. Re: His Opinion: The Holy Spirit Has Departed Rev. Why is this important? The Holy Spirit: is God: As Convincing of Sin, of Righteousness, and of Judgment. As Jesus was without sin so is the Holy Spirit. Taking possessions that God has said He didn’t want, possessions that He wanted destroyed, then offering them to God doesn’t compensate for someone’s disobedience. It was not a permanent residing, although it could be a lengthy residence. All that remained were the people, the sacrifices, and the prayers. And, it is a reminder that God would finally put an end to Saul by killing him. Saul was regenerate in 1 Samuel 10, but within 5 chapters, we discover that this regenerate, “elect” king (yes, I’m using Calvinism’s favorite word, elect) has apostatized from God and no longer performs God’s commandments. 35 And Samuel went no more to see Saul until the day of his death. Vision of the so great a cloud of witnesses and their... Donald Trump Receives More Influence and Becomes the President of USA... Nairobi Governor Sonko Impeached As Per God Word, Uhuru Kenyatta to Hold Raila Hand to Presidency (Kenya Prophecy), Death and Destruction Sweeping Nigeria – Nigeria Prophecy. Johnathan did nothing wrong, and how can Saul go where Samuel is, if Samuel is in heaven, if Saul is truly lost? John Calvin, Calvinism’s founder, may be long gone to his reward, but Calvinism and its so-called “biblical” teachings still exist. Then, when he went to pray to God about direction for the battle with the Philistines, he shows that he still didn’t understand what it meant for God to reject him as king. Well, God had regrets , not because He felt He had made a mistake. Of what is David guilty? We know from 1 Samuel 16:14 and 18:10 that the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, and was replaced by an “evil spirit” sent by God. And from the roof he saw a woman bathing, and the woman was very beautiful to behold. David’s concern in that moment was not the kingship, but rather, his salvation, his relationship with the Lord. Saul didn’t have a true heart of repentance but instead a heart of rebellion and pride wanting honor instead of him honoring Yahweh. In just three short years, Saul, once a godly man, has become ungodly. Scripture calls him “a man after God’s own heart,” and Samuel says the same thing to Saul when referring to David (1 Samuel 13:13-14; 1 Samuel 15:27-29). 6. 9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were unwilling to utterly destroy them. So did Saul loose his internal salvation or his position of being king over Israel. Humans are too stained with sin to make their hearts clean. 8 He also took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. By trying to contact God through the traditional means that had once been made available to him as king, he forgot that God had nothing else to say to Saul. Even in the Old Testament, God resided within believers by way of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit then came upon David (1 Samuel 16:13). And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom. How was God present with believers? Thanks for bringing the word to our level. The Lord tells Moses to lay his hands on Joshua to transfer some of the power he had to Joshua. Can you imagine your king being your worst enemy all because he lusts after your wife? The Bible clearly tells us so! Before Christ, a believer was onlt visited by the Holy Spirit. In this article, we’ll provide an answer to this question by looking at both Saul and David. 5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and lay in wait in the valley. To be a Christian is to have the Holy Spirit living in you: “You, however, are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. As long as that we are not repeat offenders, and that we are broken in spirit when we ask for forgiveness and that we genuinely repent of our sins, he can never turn us away. It’s easy to think that Saul willed his own death, but Samuel’s dire prophecy to Saul comes not because Saul chooses to die but because of the Lord God Himself: 13 So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance. In other words, Saul was so consumed with himself that before he went to do what God commanded him to do, he was occupied with his own self-glorifying monument. For the second attempt, David had failed once again. Giants and unnatural hybrids are abominations. saint and the O.T. He committed adultery with Uriah’s wife, then killed Uriah to avoid the consequences of his impropriety and treated Uriah’s death as “no big deal.” David played on the loyalty of Uriah to kill him and remove him from the picture — all because David coveted Uriah’s wife. However, Samuel did not indicate that Saul would reside in the bosom of Abraham. 28 So Samuel said to him, “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you. David realizes that he is “dirty” and “filthy” in sin. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. Barrett quoted G. F. Moore approvingly: ‘The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of prophecy … The Holy Spirit is so specifically prophetic inspiration that when Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, the last prophets, died, the Holy Spirit departed from Israel.’ 1 Sam 15:10-19: Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, ‘I greatly regret that I have set up Saul to be king: for he has turned back from following me, and has not performed my commandments’. The Holy Spirit gives us access to the Father through Christ. He wasn’t sorry over his sin, wasn’t grievous over his sin. David, in turn, confesses his sin before the Lord and listens to the prophet. Jesus Christ does not send His servants without power. Because of who He is, there are several things which make Him depart from a person or a congregation. Keil and Delitzsch define rephaim as referring to "those who are bodiless in the state after death." I am reading again and again Ps 51. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”. The Holy Spirit departed from Saul. If a person or congregation departs from the Truth, the Holy Spirit departs. And it is for this reason the Spirit of God departed from King Saul. Period. 2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. Samuel’s mourning for Saul before he delivered the divine rejection to Saul and after, shows us a man who loved God and loved His people. Wait. Saul probably did quite a bit more than we are told to drive away the Holy Spirit. If you disobey and rebel, the Holy Spirit will depart. He goes to a medium by disguising himself at night, all to see Samuel (who, at this point, was a deceased prophet). Calvinism is still alive and well in the world. 1 John 2:15: Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. When Chist died, the perfect sacrifice for sin was permanent, finally. In verse 10, David requests that God “create in me a clean heart,” a statement that shows that David cannot be clean unless God makes him clean. He isn’t a “Judas,” someone that will jump at something when money or possessions are given and forget His law. This is the main reason for their utter destruction by God’s commands. Saul brought the divine rejection on himself, not God, Samuel, nor anyone else. The removal of the Spirit from one and the giving of the Spirit to the other was God’s supernatural declaration that the throne had been taken from Saul and given to David. In it, we read the soul of a man who has been confronted by Nathan the prophet with the realization that he, David, has sinned before God. Whatever it was, Saul built it by his own hand for himself. And yet, the question remains as to why it happened. Next: Protestant heresies today 1: – Making houses of cement sand stone and wood to be houses of the Lord, A servant of Jesus Christ strictly following Master's instructions. The Lord’s response to Saul’s sin is that the Lord regrets making Saul king: 10 Now the word of the Lord came to Samuel, saying, 11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the Lord all night. ** Check out this free infographic illustrating 13 ways the Holy Spirit worked in the Old Testament. What about burial? You say that Calvin taught that God kind of “teases” grace, just to take it away. It appears that Mel Gibson used the imagery of a dove to represent the Holy Spirit in his movie. The issue is sin. As he says in the next statement, “restore to me the joy of Your salvation.” David’s joy in being saved was gone because of his sin. 8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. My closing point is that the Holy Spirit did not permanently dwell with a believer until Christ was sent to give all believers the gift of true supernatural cleansing from sin. 9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? We’ve seen this in our study of Isaiah 63. 1 Pet 2:22: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. This may seem pretty far-fetched, but it was done in the early post -flood world by the king of Babel(Babylon), Nimrod. This was disobedience. Why the disparity in the divine judgment between Saul and David? First, let’s examine the circumstances surrounding Saul’s sin and the departure of the Holy Spirit. David refused to drink it instead he poured it as offering to the Lord his heart cannot accept the sacrifice the men has done to fetch the water for him.So he choose to offer it to the Lord . If a person or congregation has no righteousness, peace and joy, the Holy Spirit has departed from the person or congregation. 12 Then David said to Uriah, “Wait here today also, and tomorrow I will let you depart.” So Uriah remained in Jerusalem that day and the next. And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. In Biblical times the Holy Spirit was widely disseminated, resting on those who, according to the Bible, displayed a propitious activity; thus it rested on Eber and, according to Josh. These promises are not based on David’s performance but on God’s faithful word. “Saul doesn’t have any peace; I have to play the harp to help restore his mental and emotional peace. When Saul can’t eat before the medium at En Dor, it’s a reminder that he is as shocked by the prophecy as anyone. In Chist, a believer can become a permanent temple for the Holy Spirit. In 1 Timothy 4:14 1 Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in you, which was given you by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. If the Holy Spirit were removed from us, we might as well be lost. The Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the nations that God commanded Joshua to destroy in the acquisition of the Promised Land are examples. Eventually, His Spirit had had enough. Saul went from hiding among the stuff and being shy for the kingship to craving the riches, wealth, and power that came with the kingship. Jesus said “it is finished” at the cross. You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon. See signs and wonders follow Jesus Christ servants, If a person was once preaching a powerful gospel followed by signs and miracles, but no signs are seen, the Holy Spirit has departed from the person. His narcissism and egotism didn’t take long to develop. Let’s take a look at David’s sin and his response. In turn, the Holy Spirit departed from Saul and the kingship, designated only for someone after God’s own heart, was subsequently taken from him. Saul would rather live in wealth than live by the word of God and the divine law. He was a skillful harp player, with musical talent. And it shall be that he will play it with his hand when the distressing spirit from God is upon you, and you shall be well.”, 17 So Saul said to his servants, “Provide me now a man who can play well, and bring him to me.”, 18 Then one of the servants answered and said, “Look, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, who is skillful in playing, a mighty man of valor, a man of war, prudent in speech, and a handsome person; and the Lord is with him.”, 19 Therefore Saul sent messengers to Jesse, and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 And Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine, and a young goat, and sent them by his son David to Saul. 4; comp. Finally, fearing the worst and realizing that Bathsheba would start to show (Uriah would quickly figure out he hadn’t slept with her and that it wasn’t his child), he decided that Uriah had to be done away with once and for all. 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